Asekieltosuunnitelmia maailmalta

[Jantteri]

Ikävä kyllä tässäkin maassa näitä hulluja riittää. Tuomioja+ muut kukkahatut, hihhulit yms. viherpiiperöt joutaa sinne mistä on tullutkin.

Onneksi kuitenkin vielä on enemmän järkeviä ihmisiä.
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[MtJ]

Varsin mielenkiintoiseksi asian tekee se, että siinä vaiheessa jos mahdollisesta aseiden täyskiellosta tiedotetaan, mahtaa käydä kova sutina ja hyörinä monessa taloudessa. Sadoissa tuhansissa toivottavasti...

Tuskinpa edes suomalaiset aseidenvastustajat ovat niin typeriä, että eivät ymmärrä minkälainen yhteiskuntarauhaa järkyttävä teko aseiden täyskielto olisi. Olisi siinä rekryytiä ja amunisoonia lipaston takana

[Jantteri]

[Väiski]

Tässä kaverin kanssa just mietittiin, että jos täyskielto tulis niin varmasti monien vehkeet joutuis varkaiden käsiin....sittenhän sitä voisi jossain sysimetsässä kokoontua aina keskellä yötä harjoittamaan noitapiir..eiku salatarkkuusammuntaa.
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The difference between a Socialist and a Communist? Socialist doesn't have all the guns yet.

[finlander]

Paljonkos saa patruunia säilyttää lain mukaan ilman erityisiä säilytystiloja? Onko siinä mitään rajaa?

[Hessu]

Yksityisasunnossa saa säilyttää enintään 20000 kpl patruunoita, 2 kg ruutia ja 1000 kpl nalleja. (räjähdeasetus 71§)
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Welcome to the worst nightmare of all: reality

[finlander]

Kiitän.

[Jantteri]

[Hessu]

Noilla Jantterin varastoilla saisi kyllä aikaiseksi kunnon paukun vaikkapa tulipalon sattuessa...
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Welcome to the worst nightmare of all: reality

[Vieras 1*]

Crime-hit Brazil split over possible gun sales ban

By Andrei Khalip

Wed Jul 20, 8:43 AM ET

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) -
Rio de Janeiro taxi driver Luiz Marcelo is
normally mild mannered, but he loses his
temper when Brazil's upcoming referendum
on whether gun sales should be banned comes
up in a conversation.

"All you see around us in the streets is crime,
and the best they can think of is to disarm honest
citizens like me and you," the 50-year-old
almost shouts. "I have a gun at home and
another one in this car and I'm not giving them up."

Many Brazilians share this view, saying the
state does not give its people adequate
protection from violent crime and they need
guns for self defense. But others are afraid
of having guns at home and don't like the idea
of armed citizens walking the streets.

There are no nationwide opinion polls projecting
the outcome of the referendum on Oct. 23 to
ban gun and ammunition sales. But some smaller
polls have found strong support in urban areas.
Congress approved the vote on July 7.

Rampant crime gives Brazil the world's second-highest
rate of gunshot deaths after Venezuela with nearly
40,000 people killed annually. That's more than
the number who die yearly in the Israel-Palestinian
conflict, Colombia's civil war or who died in the first Gulf war.

Brazil is also one of the world's top small arms makers.

But some Brazilians fear that without a ban on
gun sales, more carnage will result.

"My worst nightmare is that a bandit is robbing
a car next to mine in a traffic jam and somebody
takes out a gun and bullets start flying," said
Maria Borges, 38, a psychotherapist from Rio.

Her fears are based on real incidents -- such as
when several bus passengers, including an old man,
were wounded in Rio de Janeiro in January in a
gunfight between an off-duty policeman and two robbers,
one of whom died.

A poll in the seven cities of the densely populated,
industrial ABC region in Sao Paulo state earlier this
month showed that about eight in every 10 citizens
wanted the ban. Experts say, however, there are more
supporters of gun sales in the outback where many farmers
have shotguns and pistols.

The referendum idea was part of the so-called
Disarmament Statute, or stricter gun controls,
developed by the Justice Ministry under President
Luiz Inacio Lula de Silva's administration which has
pledged to combat rampant violence.

BLAMING ILLEGAL WEAPONS

Gun manufacturers have avoided commenting
on the referendum. But Forjas Taurus, whose
pistols are hugely popular in the United States,
has posted on its Web site comments from clients
who believe deaths are mostly caused by criminals
with illegally obtained weapons.

The Web site says the number of guns in illegal circulation is "stratospherically" higher at an estimated 8.7 million
pieces, rather than the 7,219 officially sold last year
for private use, so prohibition will not solve the crime problem.

If Brazil votes to ban gun and ammunition sales,
those who already have a registered pistol or shotgun
will still be able to buy 50 cartridges a year. But under
strict rules imposed last year, they need to re-register
their weapons every three years, paying a special fee
that would be prohibitive for many. They also have to
pass psychological and other tests.

Taurus said its gun sales to private individuals have
been "practically zero" since the new rules came into
effect. Meanwhile, its exports jumped over 40 percent last year.

"I bet on a significant rise in crime with the ban," said
Gilberto Thums, a prosecutor and a well-known critic of
the proposed ban on gun sales. "This referendum is idiocy."

Anti-gun activists say the arms situation in Brazil
with its huge social inequality and widespread poverty
is different from richer countries like Canada, where
guns in households are commonplace but gunshot death
rates are extremely low.

"Inequality in big urban centers is an important factor here
that pushes young people with their resentments into
crime in general and drug trafficking in particular,"
said Rubem Fernandes, director of Viva Rio rights group.

Security experts tend to agree that a gun offers only
relative protection or can pose more risks for its
bearer and people around.

"Our recommendation to clients always is not to
have a gun," said Alessandro Sanches, a security
consultant with Kroll Inc. international risk consulting
company in Sao Paulo. He said shooting range practice
is not enough to stand up to thugs, which requires
psychological training and experience.

"In fact, many people who have guns at home make
it easier for criminals to expand their arsenals.
Many like to boast that they have a gun, which often
is the reason for robbery," he said.

Drug traffickers in Rio de Janeiro even have a
history of raids on army weapons depots. Police
have discovered slum arsenals with machine-guns,
land mines, grenades and bazookas.

Last month police found a missile. They suspect
gangsters from Rio's notorious Red Command criminal
organization jointly with Sao Paulo gang First
Command of the Capital were planning to use it to
free jailed ringleaders.

Still, police figures show that most of the guns they
confiscate are Brazil-made revolvers, and these
are responsible for most crimes such as street robberies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050720/lf_nm/crime_brazil_guns_dc_1;_ylt=Ao3_D7NvSk5CTEqI1qx.5KZn.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--

Samaan aikaan Hollannissa:

Gun laws to be tightened

20 July 2005

THE HAGUE – Rules for gun ownership
will become stricter in August 2006, the
Ministry of Justice announced on Wednesday.

Beginning next autumn, anyone who wants
a weapons permit will have to be a member
of a shooting club affiliated with the Koninklijke
Nederlandse Schutters Associatie (KNSA).

To prevent criminals from learning to shoot in a
club, aspiring members must also be licensed by the KNSA.

Weapons permits will also become easier to revoke.
From next year, committing a crime will be grounds
for losing one’s licence, as will ‘moving in criminal circles’.

The KNSA will conduct checks of affiliated clubs
and issue licences to individual
members.

Prospective members will have to submit a certificate
of good behaviour, to prevent people with a criminal
record from joining.

Those wishing to own a gun will be required to have
a special safe. Collectors will have to submit a collection
plan and will be assigned a mentor in the first year.

[Copyright Expatica News + ANP 2005]


http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=22085&name=Gun+laws+to+be+tightened

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[finlander]

Suomen päättäjät odottavat juuri tuollaisia Hollannin kaltaisia "ennakkotapauksia", sanokaa minun sanoneen. Halutaan olla EU:n mallimaa. Eroon EU:sta ja äkkiä! Siihen on nyt mahdollisuus! Kansanäänestys perustuslaista myös Suomeen! Taistelivatko veteraanit turhaan? Suomea viedään kuin pässiä narussa kohti liittovaltiota, sitäkö tekin haluatte?

[Vieras 1*]

Muistelen joltain keskustelupalstalta lukeneeni, että juuri Hollannissa olisi hiljan värkätty taitto/teleperäkielto, ja muistammehan kuinka juuri Suomen ja Hollannin viranomaisyhteistyö lopetti JFY:n asemyynnin.

Uudessa Kaliberi-lehdessä näkyi muuten olevan maininta, että poliisi olisi kysellyt SALilta luetteloa urheiluammuntaan soveltuvista aseista, joten eiköhän kohta valinnanvara aseen suhteen ole aika pieni ja lupa-anomukseen vastataan "ei ole listalla"...

[Jantteri]

Ei muutakuin annetaan vain oikein pitkä lista vaan, kaikki aseet sopii urheiluammuntaan.

No tästä nEUvostoliitosta muistaakseni oli kansanäänestys, silloin olisi kannattanut miettiä mitä äänestää. Jotkin juntit vain halusi pakolla EU:hun.
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[Vieras 1*]

Joo, mutta kun juuri SAL oli vähän aikaa sitten sitä mieltä että urheiluammunta voidaan hoitaa ilma- ja laserpyssyillä - eikä jälkimmäisilläkään tarkoitettu mitään startrekki-vehkeitä.